Legislature(2003 - 2004)

03/25/2003 01:32 PM House TRA

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SCR  1-SUPPORT ROADS/HOT SPRINGS LOOP ROAD                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HOLM announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
CS  FOR  SENATE CONCURRENT  RESOLUTION  NO.  1(FIN), Relating  to                                                               
economic development  generated by  new road construction  and to                                                               
the  design and  construction of  the  Hot Springs  Loop Road  to                                                               
connect Chena  Hot Springs and  Circle Hot Springs, of  a highway                                                               
along the Bradfield/Iskut Rivers  transportation corridor, of the                                                               
Knik Arm  Crossing, of a road  from Iliamna Bay to  Pile Bay, and                                                               
of other roads and highways.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0410                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GARY WILKEN, Alaska State  Legislature, sponsor of SCR 1,                                                               
began  his  testimony  by  saying  he  wanted  the  committee  to                                                               
consider what is  possible in Alaska if there is  courage to look                                                               
ahead  and build  roads that  would benefit  residents, visitors,                                                               
and entrepreneurs  interested in developing land  that is touched                                                               
or accessed by  the proposed roads.  He said  there are six roads                                                               
that have  been proposed for  consideration and/or  evaluation in                                                               
this   resolution.     Senator   Wilken   began  his   PowerPoint                                                               
presentation with  a map of  the proposed Hot Springs  Loop Road,                                                               
and  oriented the  committee by  pointing out  locations such  as                                                               
Chena  Hot Springs,  Circle Hot  Springs,  Fairbanks, the  Steese                                                               
National Conservation  Area, Circle, and the  Yukon River access.                                                               
He said  the loop road would  connect Chena Hot Springs,  a well-                                                               
developed year-round  tourist resort, to Circle  Hot Springs; the                                                               
trip could  then become  a two-  or three-day  trip in  which one                                                               
night is spent at each location.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  continued with  a map  of the  second of  the six                                                               
proposed   roads,   the  Bradfield/Iskut   River   Transportation                                                               
Corridor.    He  oriented  the committee  to  locations  such  as                                                               
Wrangell and the Cassiar Highway.   He said "this little piece of                                                               
road" bypasses  thousands of miles  and connects Alaska  with the                                                               
[rest of  the] world  through the Alcan  Highway and  provides an                                                               
alternate  route from  the  road that  goes  through Skagway  and                                                               
Haines.   He said there would  be one tunnel, and  instead of the                                                               
flow going  north, the  flow would come  south through  the Alcan                                                               
Highway.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN proceeded  to describe  the third  proposed road,                                                               
the Knik  Arm Crossing.   He noted  that many people  are already                                                               
familiar  with this  project, and  said that  this is  a billion-                                                               
dollar  project that  opens up  areas in  the Anchorage  area for                                                               
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  went on to  describe the proposed Pile  Bay Road,                                                               
pointing out Homer on the map,  and saying that the project would                                                               
provide fishermen  access to  two different  fisheries.   He told                                                               
the  members  that  the Department  of  Transportation  &  Public                                                               
Facilities (DOT&PF) has a good  presentation on this project, and                                                               
explained that  this road would  require a couple of  bridges and                                                               
involves some "nasty  stretches."  However, it opens  up the area                                                               
to residents, and  the commercial fishing industry,  and it would                                                               
also be a  great drive for tourists.   He added that  it is about                                                               
14 miles from Pile Bay to Iliamna Bay.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN  then showed  a  slide  of the  proposed  15-mile                                                               
Donlin  Creek  Road, and  pointed  out  the Kuskokwim  River  and                                                               
Donlin Creek.  He told members  that there are gold resources and                                                               
other minerals in  that area and, a generation from  now, it will                                                               
transform the  Southwestern area of  Alaska, which is in  need of                                                               
industrial development.   He said  the way  he sees it,  this is,                                                               
comparatively  speaking, a  road to  Fort Knox  [mine] which,  by                                                               
providing access, would be of benefit.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0864                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN  completed  his presentation  with  the  proposed                                                               
sixth road;  the 2.5-mile Rock Creek  Access Road near Nome.   He                                                               
said the road leads across the peninsula to a gold mining area.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN reiterated  that there is a  common thread running                                                               
through all  of the proposed six  roads that are included  in SCR
1.   That common thread  addresses the following  three criteria:                                                               
"1) Do they benefit the existing  population?  2) Do they provide                                                               
opportunity for  tourists?  3)  Do they allow development  of the                                                               
roads that they provide access to, or are they contiguous?"                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MASEK thanked  Senator Wilken for the  maps provided [as                                                               
a PowerPoint presentation  and in the committee  packets] and for                                                               
the presentation  of the proposed  roads projects.  She  asked if                                                               
SCR 1  would include a  specified listing that would  indicate to                                                               
whom the resolution would be forwarded.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN   replied  that   although  this  had   not  been                                                               
addressed, the  list would be  the "standard  distribution list,"                                                               
from the President on down.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MASEK wondered about the  feasibility of the Hot Springs                                                               
Loop Road,  noting that  the terrain near  Chena Hot  Springs was                                                               
hilly, and the area includes a lot of wetlands.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN said that the road  does not go quite to Chena Hot                                                               
Springs, but is within 5 or 10  miles of [Chena] Hot Springs.  He                                                               
said  there is  a  preliminary run  - there  are  some R.S.  2477                                                               
trails through the area that  are available, if "we assert them."                                                               
He said,  "The topography appears  to accept a road,  with normal                                                               
road-building possibilities."  Senator  Wilken noted that a study                                                               
was done in the 1980s on this project.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1027                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG offered  an amendment  regarding a  road that                                                               
would open up the west side of  Kodiak Island.  He said this road                                                               
would be  of benefit to  residents in the area,  would contribute                                                               
to  increased  tourism, and  should  also  support the  fisheries                                                               
industry  -  thereby  meeting the  three  criteria  that  Senator                                                               
Wilken  referred   to  earlier.    The   written  amendment  read                                                               
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     p.4 Line 8, ADD:                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          FURTHER   RESOLVED    that   the    Alaska   State                                                                  
     Legislature supports  the completion of  the identified                                                                    
     needed improvements prioritized by  the Alaska DOT STIP                                                                    
     program   for  the   realignment,  reconstruction   and                                                                    
     providing of hard  surface to Anton Larsen  Bay Road on                                                                    
     Kodiak Island.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FATE  said he understands  the amendment  and that                                                               
there are  other roads being  proposed throughout the  state that                                                               
are short  and connect villages  in rural Alaska.   He questioned                                                               
whether this  amendment would entertain other  similar proposals,                                                               
or if  it pertained to  this specific road.   Representative Fate                                                               
asked if  this project  had already  been surveyed,  proposed, or                                                               
was in need of funding.   He asked Representative Ogg for further                                                               
clarifying information.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG  said the road  does exist; however, it  is in                                                               
very poor shape and is in need of funding.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FATE  said  he was  speaking  to  the  concurrent                                                               
resolution as well  as to the amendment.  He  said the roads that                                                               
were included  in SCR 1 were  examples of roads with  the highest                                                               
needs and did not pertain to  roads that have already been funded                                                               
or  earmarked,  or where  the  design  had  been completed.    He                                                               
questioned  the appropriateness  of incorporating  this amendment                                                               
into SCR 1.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN said  the intent of the SCR 1  is to highlight new                                                               
roads that  would be over and  above what exists today.   He said                                                               
he has had numerous requests  to include upgraded roads, which is                                                               
what Representative  Ogg's amendment  appears to  be.   He stated                                                               
that this  resolution is not  about upgrading roads; it  is about                                                               
new roads.   He noted  that because  of an existing  trail, there                                                               
has been some  discussion regarding the Pile Bay  Road.  However,                                                               
a new  road would probably  have to  be built, since  the project                                                               
requires two major  bridges.  Senator Wilken  said that regarding                                                               
the kinds of projects suggested  by Representative Ogg, including                                                               
them  might  in  effect  be "to  jumpstart  the  STIP  [Statewide                                                               
Transportation  Improvement Program],"  which is  to be  avoided.                                                               
He said he  suspects that this road  is or should be  in the STIP                                                               
process,  where it  would undergo  an annual  review and  scoring                                                               
process.   He said if it  is an existing road,  efforts should be                                                               
made to  get it moved up  in the STIP  process so that it  can be                                                               
funded through traditional means,  rather than highlighting it in                                                               
a resolution  that is  really meant to  highlight new  roads that                                                               
are of a more grandiose scale.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HOLM concurred with Senator Wilken.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1347                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG withdrew his amendment.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HOLM asked  Co-Chair Masek  if  she wanted  to offer  a                                                               
conceptual amendment  to ensure that  the resolution would  go to                                                               
the  federal  authorities  so  that  the  Denali  Commission,  or                                                               
whoever needs to know, would be advised.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MASEK said  she would be willing to  offer an amendment,                                                               
but  would  rather  leave  that decision  to  the  discretion  of                                                               
Senator Wilken.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN said this was an  oversight, and he would have Tim                                                               
[Lamkin]   work   with   Co-Chair  Masek   by   reviewing   other                                                               
resolutions.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MASEK concurred that they could proceed in that manner.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOOKESH asked  if there  had been  any discussion                                                               
with the  owners of Chena Hot  Springs or Circle Hot  Springs, as                                                               
the  committee  had  heard  in  previous  testimony  [meeting  of                                                               
2/6/03] that  the owners  had not  been contacted.   He  asked if                                                               
this situation had been corrected.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  responded that  he had  spoken with  [the owners]                                                               
last  fall.   He  reported that  their concern  was  "why are  we                                                               
talking  about building  $100-million  roads when  we can't  take                                                               
care of the roads that we  have today."  Senator Wilken said this                                                               
was a  valid point.   He  added that  if U.S.  Representative Don                                                               
Young and U.S. Senator Ted  Stevens were successful, Alaska would                                                               
start receiving $450 million a  year in no-match grant money, for                                                               
six years.   The money  would come through the  Denali Commission                                                               
and  the Rural  Road  Initiative.   He said  that  the people  of                                                               
Alaska need to  set forth, and "these are roads  that we ought to                                                               
at least consider."  He said two  things need to be done:  "1) we                                                               
need to pledge to maintain the roads  that we have, and 2) at the                                                               
same time  have the courage to  look to spend this  money wisely.                                                               
[This is money]  that's going to be given to  us; [this is money]                                                               
that this state probably will  not have the opportunity to access                                                               
[again] for probably another 50 or 100 years."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  repeated that the  roads in existence need  to be                                                               
maintained and at the  same time new roads need to  be built.  He                                                               
said  the owners  are "on  board  with this"  and appreciate  the                                                               
efforts  being made  to make  their areas  accessible as  tourist                                                               
destinations.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1514                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MIKE STREDNY, noting that he was  a member of the Trails Advisory                                                               
Commission, said  he was speaking in  opposition to SCR 1  on his                                                               
own  behalf.   He  said  he  was not  in  favor  of building  the                                                               
proposed  Hot  Springs Loop  Road  because  of difficulties  with                                                               
maintenance.   He  said that  there have  been difficulties  with                                                               
maintaining  the Steese  Highway.   Mr. Stredny  stated that  the                                                               
funding was  cut and then  restored at half  of the level  by the                                                               
governor.  He noted that the  Chena and Circle Hot Springs do not                                                               
have trouble drawing summer tourists.   He noted that these roads                                                               
would "trash" the Circle-Fairbanks Trail,  which is now 100 years                                                               
old,  and that  there  are prior  rights to  be  considered.   He                                                               
indicated that the  resort owners are not that  interested in the                                                               
roads, and  the driving  force seems  to be  to "spend  the money                                                               
because we're going  to get it."  He commented  that there is not                                                               
sufficient foresight  on how  to maintain  the roads.   (Indisc.)                                                               
doesn't suit roads  very well.  He pointed out  that it will take                                                               
an act  of Congress to  approve of  crossing Birch Creek  and the                                                               
wetlands, and that the project will cost a lot of money.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. STREDNY continued  by saying when "you open it  up" there are                                                               
things  to think  about like  hunting, for  example.   Mentioning                                                               
Representatives Fate  and Holm, he said  that the Representatives                                                               
are elected because of their support  for hunting, and he said he                                                               
believes  things  need  to  be  "balanced  a  little  bit."    He                                                               
concluded his testimony  by asking Senator Wilken  to clarify his                                                               
previous comment referring to Fort Knox.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN  responded that his earlier  comment was comparing                                                               
the  Donlin Creek  Road from  the Kuskokwim  River to  the Donlin                                                               
Creek gold  deposit, to the  access road from the  Steese Highway                                                               
to Fort Knox.   He said the implication was that  Fort Knox is to                                                               
Fairbanks  what  Donlin Creek  will  be  to the  lower  Kuskokwim                                                               
Delta, that  is, economic development  with good jobs and  a good                                                               
property tax base.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 1651                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOHRING  moved  to   report  [CSSCR  1(FIN)],  as                                                               
amended,  out of  committee with  individual recommendations  and                                                               
the accompanying  zero fiscal  note.   There being  no objection,                                                               
HCS  CSSCR  1(TRA) was  reported  from  the House  Transportation                                                               
Standing Committee.                                                                                                             

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